Dec 142010

“We all have to prepare for life without much money, where imported goods are scarce, and where people have to provide for their own needs, and those of their immediate neighbours.”
Dmitri Orlov, well-known in certain circles for his writing on collapse, gave a talk titled Definancialisation, Deglobalisation, Relocalisation at The New Emergency Conference in Dublin, on June 11, 2009. The whole thing is well worth reading but I want highlight some main points of the talk.
1. “No one in the mainstream dares to say we may be over economic growth for good.”
2. “We are running out of money as well as oil. The end of oil means the end of money.”
3. “We want to believe the economist’s lies, i.e., “…as soon as the economy recovers, all these toxic assets will be valuable again.”
4.”If you want to help save the environment and prepare yourself for a life without access to consumer goods, then doing so by buying consumer goods doesn’t seem like such a great plan.”
5. “… (make) resources, such as farmland, available to those who can put them to good use, for their own benefit as well as for yours.
6.”Let industries( like) the auto industry die; resuscitate (such things as) public health.”
7. “…just about every proposal we see involves avoiding collapse instead of focusing on what comes after it. A prime example is the push to develop alternative energy.”
8. “…is there enough time for significant numbers of people to have these realizations (about collapse) and to adapt, or will they have to endure quite a lot of discomfort?”
9. “… many people are almost genetically predisposed to not want to understand what I (Orlov) have been saying… When they are touched by collapse, they take it personally or see it as a matter of luck. They see those who prepare for collapse as eccentrics; some may even consider them to be dangerous subversives.”
10. “…a certain range of personalities …are most likely to survive collapse. “…the most important characteristic of a survivor…is the will to survive. Next is self-reliance: the ability to persevere in spite of loneliness lack of support from anyone else. Last on the list is unreasonableness…”
11. “…in fashioning a survivable future, where do we put our emphasis: on individuals and small groups, or on larger entities – regions, nations, humanity as a whole? I believe the answer to that is obvious.”
12. “When it comes to larger groups: towns, for instance any meaningful discussion of collapse is off the table. The topics under discussion centre around finding ways to perpetuate the current system through alternative means: renewable energy, organic agriculture, starting or supporting local businesses, bicycling instead of driving…”
13. “…invest in things that will retain value even after all financial assets are worthless: land, ecosystems, and personal relationships.”
13.”… permanent, heritable leases payable in sustainably harvested natural products…deeded easements that provide the community with traditional hunting, gathering and fishing rights, provided human rights are not allowed to supersede those of other species.”
14. “organize as communities to produce certain goods that the entire community wants: food, clothing, shelter, security and entertainment. Everyone makes their contribution, in exchange for the end product, which everyone gets to share.”
15. “…what makes us likely to think that technology will save us is that we are addled by it.”
16.” Almost every rural place has its population of people who know how to use the local resources.Those who are used to thinking of them as primitive, ignorant and uneducated will be shocked to discover how much they must learn from them.”
17. “…try to give yourself as many options as you can, so that if any one thing doesn’t seem to be working out, you can switch to another. The future is unpredictable, so try to plan so as to be able to change your plans at any time.”


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  1. As we transition through a troubled system, we need to use care that we don’t move into a failed system:

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  3. Almost every point here is right on except that I can’t imagine anything better city administrations could be doing for the time being.

    Communism failed not because it was communism, but because it was centralized communism without any means of adaptive democracy. If someone decided that fast-food restaurants served hamburgers, all fast-food restaurants served hamburgers, even if located on a fishing pier. If the nation needed steel, everyone had to dig up their yard for ore. Also there’s plenty of evidence to support the notion that Russian administration intentionally crippled production and development, because they saw the western economic model built upon ever increasing production and consumption to be unsustainable, and unfortunately it’s turning out that they may have been right.

    Native communities were also a form of communism, and they fared just fine. The Irish and Scottish were pretty much communists until just a couple centuries ago. In fact, if you include other continents, and most of the entire world until a millenia ago, there hasn’t been much of anything except communism in the history of civilization. The greatest jumps in the standard of american living were the result of socialism, with creation of public bridges, dams and electrification, national parks, police, firemen, libraries, and such.

    One of the greatest fears of communism is a lack of liberty to pursue what you feel most fit to do. Such a restraint is not part of the definition of communism. Rather, communism only means that what you do, you do for the welfare of the whole community. Choosing what you do yourself would generally improve your capacity to do so. It is also the social basis of Christ’s teachings, as implemented by Paul and others. Likewise it’s very opposite, practices such as usary were condemned. Look where usary has gotten us now, with all the foreclosures. Play a game of Monopoly based on such principles and the outcome is clear, one entity eventually owns everything, while everyone else owns nothing.

    Even our own nation’s slogan is ‘E Pluribus Unum’, coming from a realization that we had to see our many as a single entity, and that our competiton between states was not in our collective welfare.

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